Fugitives from Fundamentalism

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Calvin’s Chair

Posted by Ann on November 26, 2010

Decided we needed a picture of Calvin’s chair on this website since who doesn’t love Calvin? While scanning old pictures I found this one I took in the St. Pierre Cathedral while visiting Geneva in 1999. Yes, Calvin was real.

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My first and final Facebook discussion on religion

Posted by Ann on September 5, 2010

A couple of days ago I had my first discussion on Facebook with “liberal Christians” about their religious beliefs. Somehow I had developed a belief that liberal Christians would actually be able to see through the irrationality of fundamentalism in a way fundamentalists can’t. Read the rest of this entry »

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Crutch Evolution

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on December 2, 2009

As far back as I can remember, the Christian communities I have been a part of have always been sensitive to the charge that their religious beliefs are a crutch for the emotionally weak. Even before I had heard a non-Christian make this assertion, I heard it introduced and rebutted in a Christian setting on numerous occasions. I have always wondered if the Christian hypersensitivity to, and fixation on, this charge was indicative of a truth within it. However, I eventually decided that all humans need crutches, so it seemed like a meaningless claim. Also, I know from my own observations and discussions with Christians that, as individuals, they believe for different reasons. Or maybe a better way to put it would be to say that they are drawn to, or kept in, Christianity by different approaches to the religion that focus on different aspects. For some, it is obvious that the emotional fix they get from worshiping and singing is something they are addicted to and could not live without. For others, who might even look down on those who make “spiritual love” to Jesus in church, it is the unassailable logic of the NT story and the Bible’s explanation for how the world and humans function that appeals to them. Essentially, people find in religion what they are looking for in the first place. Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part VIII

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on May 8, 2009

Calvinist Friend:

I’m jumping around a bit in my response, but next I want to address your analogy of baldness and hair color to support your assertion that you have not placed your faith in no god. Think of an alternative analogy. Light has color. But what color do you call the absence of light? Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part VII

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on May 8, 2009

More angry conversations with a Christian academic; the mental masturbation continues…

Calvinist Friend:

Ok, here’s my next round of comments. First, I agree with your comments on the relative meaninglessness of dictionary definitions. Nonetheless, I disagree that evidence and proof have the same meaning, even by dictionary standards. Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part VI

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on April 30, 2009

Calvinist Friend:

You define faith as “belief in something without evidence”. However, the dictionary definition for faith is “belief that is not based on proof”. There’s a difference between evidence and proof. True faith should have evidence supporting it. Otherwise we call it “blind faith”, and my God hasn’t called me to have a blind faith. Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part V

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on April 30, 2009

Calvinist Friend:

Well I can see that you are a fairly angry and close-minded individual who will only accept limited evidence that fits into your own framework and that only subscribes to your own narrow definitions, so I agree that it would be better that we both call it quits for now (I’m sure you haven’t heard the last of me though). You actually fit nicely into the box that I imigned you to be in when we first started this conversation. It’s always a devilishly warm feeling when people fit into the stereotypes that I have of them. Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part IV

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on April 30, 2009

Calvinist Friend:

Wow! Once again, you provide more logical inconsistencies, demonstrate several fallacies, and misinterpret what I say or believe. You make an attack out of ignorance to say that I lack training in logic. How do you know what exact training I have in logic? I don’t need your judgment or assessment of my training. Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part III

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on April 30, 2009

Calvinist Friend:

I’m glad you recognize that science cannot answer all questions. I agree. I’m glad too that you must admit that you don’t know how the universe came into existence. So the other part of my original question that you didn’t answer is what will you accept as evidence for an intelligent designer? Because you recognize that there is a gap here in human knowledge, then I want to know what evidence you are willing to accept that God fills that gap. Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part II

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on April 30, 2009

Calvinist Friend:

Your response further convinces me that you in fact are the one who is very emotionally invested in your own beliefs and ideas. You imagine yourself to be a sophisticated sort who is perfectly versed in knowledge, open to truth, and completely rational, when in fact the anger, contempt, and pride that comes through in many of your comments prove otherwise. Read the rest of this entry »

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Angry Conversations with a Childhood Friend & Calvinist: Part I

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on April 30, 2009

I have been on the social networking site Facebook for more than a year, and I have been quite open about my lack of belief in my former religion. Like me, many of my friends on Facebook are adult missionary kids (MKs). Only one hand is needed to count the number of them who have been able to escape their childhood indoctrination into fundamentalist Christianity. Typically, when my friends discover that I am no longer a believer, I am met with shock and a few questions. Read the rest of this entry »

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Are Fugitives from Fundamentalism in Self-Exile?

Posted by Clamence/The Chaplain on July 14, 2008

This brief essay was written in response to a Christian who wrote the following:

I’ve seen a lot of posting about atheists/agnostics “coming out” to your parents and the ensuing fallout. While reading all of these statements, I couldn’t help but wonder how much of this parent-child tension could possibly be self-imposed. Read the rest of this entry »

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